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Blog entry by Greenthumb posted 05-28-2009 06:43 AM 9743 reads 0 times favorited 41 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Well, ..............I now have two 12” diameter holes in the ground, filled with concrete, with galvanized sadles to hold a PT 4×4…...and the floor is built too, attatched to the shop like a deck. being attached to the shop means it has heat and access from both the outdoors and from inside the shop.

Going to put a few barrells up in the air for watering????

I dug out some cedar 10×10s and have re-sawn them down to 6×6s and the begginings of a post and beam cedar green house….... is under way, very addictive.

I hope to be done by October

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )



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Bon

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posted 05-28-2009 07:02 AM

Nice to see you got it started.Your gonna want to see that greenhouse finished before Oct. though.Now that you started you will want it done now.Looking forward to seeing the pictures as you go along.

-- Bon,Hastings,Ont.....zone 5a....Always room for one more

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Eklectic

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posted 05-28-2009 08:00 AM

Looks like you are going to have some fun building it!!
Any pictures available for those of us who are ’’visuals’’?

-- Eklectic, Follow my Bliss, South East Ontario 5a

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MsDebbieP

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posted 05-28-2009 08:19 AM

heated/easy access sounds good
I can see the skip in your step as you think about the next steps and the finished product.

-- - Debbie, SW Ontario Canada (USDA Hardiness Zone: 5a)

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GrandmaT

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posted 05-28-2009 09:32 AM

Gonna be busy, busy, busy … a lot of hard work, but totally worthwhile. Sounds to me as if you have this all planned out. Like the idea of having it attached to your workshop. Also sure with your expertise and “eye” it is gonna be one beautiful greenhouse.

-- "A beautiful garden is a work of heart" --

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jroot

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posted 05-28-2009 05:09 PM

Good for you, Greenthumb. Keep us posted as to its progress.

-- jroot ....... Southern Ontario .......... grow zone 5A ...................."Gardening is an exercise in optimism." ....... . . Author Unknown

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Greenthumb

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posted 05-29-2009 06:10 AM

I dont get a lot of “my time” anymore. Work is so, so , so very busy and the economy has taken a sh#@ kicking which makes me very wary of spending money that I might need down the road.

I do know that a few trips to the greenhouse for vegatable plants, flowers etc consumes fuel, tires, brakes, as well as the invoices and combine that with the “time” spent driving…............I’ve had enough of it. The greenhouse will pay for itself in one year and will also free up a lot of time.

Thankfully my MIL is paying for most of the material in the greenhouse, and when combined with what I already have, shouldnt cost me much more then a “little time”.

Yesterday I went out to “pick” some fresh asparagus and noticed that a whole row was sprayed with “Round up”.......................I cant express my dissappointment with my never ending, wont go away, always full of bad surprises Father in Law. he also put the wood shavings that are mixed with nasty seeds from his pigeon coop across another row. It took me two years to kill off the barley and wheat etc., from the last time he put it in the garden. He also decided to build a terrace/pergola near thier front door, ripping up unistone, killing plants and it IS the ugliest terrace/pergola I’ve ever seen….....................and the beat goes on

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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MsDebbieP

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posted 05-29-2009 07:57 AM

makes my trials with animals seen rather mild.

-- - Debbie, SW Ontario Canada (USDA Hardiness Zone: 5a)

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GrandmaT

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posted 05-29-2009 08:46 AM

Ohhhhhhhhhhh Dear …... :-(

-- "A beautiful garden is a work of heart" --

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Greenthumb

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posted 05-31-2009 06:57 AM

A friend who sells “glass” stopped by yesterday to give me a lesson on how “he” is going to install the glass so that “I” know how to machine the wooden wall material so that his glass will work, leak free…...

I think the hardest part is going to be “digging out” the 12” x 12” x 14’ cedar beams from the bottom of the pile at the back of my storage area in my barn,......then -re-sawing them by myself.

Buddy also told me how to clad the exposed wood so I’m thinking “copper”. I also want the roof to match/mimic the roof lines of the barn, some call it a mandrel roof, others have called it a gambrel roof. It will sit beside the front door between it, and the shed roof

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you can see the roof line, and the window to the left of the door…...the window will become the door to the greenhouse. The barn isnt done in the photo, but its close to done in real life

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a more current shot of the barn, and even this one doesnt quite represent what it looks like now but maybe easier to see where the greenhouse is being built. The shed roof area now has windows, doors, insulation etc., and its also where my chickens are, where my potting area is now and where I store an unimaginable amount of eclectic wood, steel, copper, roots,.............????

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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MsDebbieP

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posted 05-31-2009 07:05 AM

oh wow.. lovely building.

Nice to have the “how to’s” before you start building!

-- - Debbie, SW Ontario Canada (USDA Hardiness Zone: 5a)

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Greenthumb

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posted 06-01-2009 09:38 PM

and that pic was taken yesterday?

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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Scott Hildenbrand

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posted 06-01-2009 10:02 PM

Are you glassing at least part of the roof? What are your plans as far as any possible snow load?

-- Planting Daylilies in Kentucky, zone 6b

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Greenthumb

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posted 06-01-2009 10:26 PM

the whole roof will be done in 12 mm tempered glass …......supported in such a way as to meet and/or exceed building code

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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GrandmaT

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posted 06-02-2009 09:36 AM

That sure is one purdy barn … lot of work in that barn. Know the greenhouse will look just as beautiful. Nice to know folks that can help out with design/structure. I know all these skills you have were learned over the years with lots of hard work and dedication; but I have to say your family are mighty lucky to have you and your abilities. Your work is sure beautiful Greenthumb …

-- "A beautiful garden is a work of heart" --

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Greenthumb

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posted 06-02-2009 10:12 AM

Thanks GrandmaT

My skills did come at a price…............two wives as I was always working and never home. Now I work at home and my lovely better half still doesnt see me often.

I’m going to follow the roof lines of the barn so that the roof lines of the greenhouse match them…...? Ive now drawn lines on the exterior barn wall so that when I stand back, everything looks tickety boo, sorta looking for pleasing sense of balance and proportions. I’ve done full scale drawingof the timber trusses, sleepers etc and am now confident that all can go ahead.

Guessing that in some ways I am fortunate in that I can sometimes find the time to attend week day auctions and on one of them I scored some serious solid cedar and white pine timbers. Coupled with a few heavy timbers that I re-claimed from old churches, barns and homes…......I sure hope it is worth the work.

Had I done this last year I would be selling lettuce and peas by now. My afinity towards flowers doesnt always match my wallet and to “flower up” this place would cost thousands of dollars….....thus the Greenhouse.

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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GrandmaT

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posted 06-02-2009 11:35 AM

Yes, that is quite a heavy price indeed Greenthumb … but sometimes “us” better halfs need to take a step back and realize the hardship placed on our “man” too. Afterall ultimately all the hard work is for the family. But I believe that is easier said than done … hence folk breaking up. (Just my two cents worth) Glad you have found yourself a wonderful lady!!

Hubby and I have never attended an auction like that. I know we both would be drooling over that old and beautiful wood. We have headed up to barns full of rough sawn lumber; and that was very cool, indeed.

I cannot wait to see some photos of your greenhouse and while I don’t understand all (okay most-LOL!!) that you are doing, I do appreciate all the time and hard work going into this project.

Never grown veggies … sorry I didn’t spend more time with my grandfather; his veg garden was HUGE. Guess the flowers were “prettier” and I was young. Thankfully here, now … our little place allows me (through hubby’s hardwork and generosity) to “flower it up” and not totally kill the bank. Hmmmmm, but maybe Russel would differ on that – LOL!!!

-- "A beautiful garden is a work of heart" --

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Greenthumb

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posted 09-10-2009 09:36 AM

finally I took three days to work on this greenhouse amongst other much needed property chores. I managed to get the posts cut, the rim joists cut (beams) and one timber framed truss done…..three to go, but the first one takes all the time as the rest are only copies. I know its only September but if I dont get going on it….the snow will be here and the dream will have to wait for another year…....fingers crossed.

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Its almost too nice to put there and would make a lovely screened in porch attached to the house?

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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GrandmaT

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posted 09-11-2009 09:52 AM

Anxious to see this “done” ... as your creations are always to gorgeous. I hope you are able to get it done before the snow flies …

-- "A beautiful garden is a work of heart" --

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Greenthumb

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posted 10-30-2009 07:28 AM

I finally got some time and did a little more work on the greenhouse. By the end of the day today….it should be ready to measure for glass. I changed a few things from the original concept and some things have to wait due to lack of sufficient funding. I wanted to put radiant tube heating under the floor, cut out a few floor areas to sink in some galvanized liners…............that has to wait.

The roof has three main sections and the one closest to the barn, I decided to put wooden tongue and groove, strap it, and steel roofing because the sun will get to that area and I was worried about snow loads and water leaking problems. I have enough “Faux”/Cultured” stone to face the outside…..there are two small knee walls yet to go up on the front and one on the side. After the glass is installed I will skin the 2×3’s with cedar.

For now the heat will come by opening the window of the barn, and a fan.

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-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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Radicalfarmergal

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posted 10-30-2009 07:38 AM

Wow, Greenthumb! You do beautiful work with wood. The frame looks strong, sturdy and beautiful. It will look great next to your wonderful barn and should survive whatever Mother Nature throws at you for many winters. I am looking forward to seeing it finished. Something that beautiful and useful is definitely worth the time and effort you have given to it.

-- "...I have nothing against authorities as such; I am only in favor of putting a question mark after just about everything they say." Ruth Stout

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Greenthumb

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posted 10-30-2009 07:44 AM

Heres a link to some photos should you be interested. Thanks for the kind words and BTW…....I really like M. Gandhi’s quote….....”live simply so others can simply live”

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v96/woodworking/

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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jroot

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posted 10-30-2009 03:12 PM

The animals will provide some good heat from the barn to the greenhouse – maybe not enough for tropicals, but some heat. In Scotland, they used to build the house attached to the barn, so that the animals would keep the one wall warmer, and thus save on heating costs. You will also have a ready supply of “fertilizer”. Good thinking. ;)

-- jroot ....... Southern Ontario .......... grow zone 5A ...................."Gardening is an exercise in optimism." ....... . . Author Unknown

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Radicalfarmergal

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posted 10-30-2009 03:42 PM

Greenthumb, thanks for the link to the photos. You have made some amazingly beautiful pieces of furniture. I especially like the way you have built furniture right into the walls. You are a true craftsman. If I had lots of money, I would turn you loose in our old farmhouse and you could restore it to better reflect its true age and uniqueness.

-- "...I have nothing against authorities as such; I am only in favor of putting a question mark after just about everything they say." Ruth Stout

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Greenthumb

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posted 10-31-2009 08:28 AM

Jroot…............there are no animals in that barn except for the dogs that have free range. There are 4 chickens. In it, are my tool toys and its heated. I cannot speak for Scotland but here, the biggest reason the old barns come down is that a lot of farms dont farm, no livestock and the animals are what keep the frost from cracking the foundation walls.

I did build the barn so that some day, it could have horses, goats etc but for now I have to make a living. If the kids and others would help out a bit, maybe we could have goats and horses but I just dont have the time, nor the $$$$.

Thanks Radgal.

I like this view

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-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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Bon

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posted 10-31-2009 11:04 AM

Wow it’s starting to look really good.

-- Bon,Hastings,Ont.....zone 5a....Always room for one more

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Greenthumb

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posted 12-12-2009 07:27 AM

No new pictures yet but the greenhouse is getting there.

My glass guy finally showed up and put all but one thermo glass wall panel in. That was 3 weeks ago. he also didnt bring 2 tempered ceiling panels, one of which has an opening for the temperature controllied vent. Then he showed up with all but the the missing vent and again, the one missing wall panel. he doesnt return myphone calls and or my e-mails but seeing how he hasnt recieved a dime from me I can only hope that he will return to finish it up.

the above is sorta problamatic because he alsodidnt silicone several joints so I have small leaks and because its still missing one ceiling panel I cannot flash the roof (copper to cover the exposed wood) so I have several leaks which really isnt a big deal.

I made an eclectic looking door from re-cycled barn board which will also hold the intake vent and after having a hissy fit on the driver who brought me the flooring I decided to do the floor with more barn board turned into tongue and groove. Building a secondary floor was a challenge as I wanted a sealed floor insulated to a R30….............achieved by using the 2 part catalized spray in foam. very pricey but so nice on the feet.

Sealing up all the cracks and missing panels with plywood I tested for heat retention and on a FREEZING COLD day Iput in a small electric heater and after 1/2 hour it was toasty warm.

Wanting to do that small outside kneee wallin faux stone, money constraints, I decided to just match the barn and do wood siding perhaps using the stone on the inside to retain a bit of heat.

Aside form a few small leaks here and there, that shouldgo away after its flashed…........I’m happy with it.

Now to replace the dishwasher that was installed before the hardwood flooring went down…....grrrrrr. By Sweet Lord Thundering what a challenge thats become.

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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Radicalfarmergal

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posted 12-12-2009 08:45 AM

Sounds like you have your work cut out for you but it will be wonderful in the spring to be able to start your plants early and extend your season. Keep warm and I hope you can get everything you want finished this winter.

-- "...I have nothing against authorities as such; I am only in favor of putting a question mark after just about everything they say." Ruth Stout

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Iris43

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posted 12-12-2009 09:57 AM

I’m looking forward to new pictures of your progress. :-)

-- 'To plant a Garden is to believe in Tomorrow'

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jroot

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posted 12-12-2009 08:58 PM

me too. ;)

-- jroot ....... Southern Ontario .......... grow zone 5A ...................."Gardening is an exercise in optimism." ....... . . Author Unknown

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Greenthumb

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posted 12-13-2009 10:18 AM

yesterday it was clear blue skies and sunny, about minus 10 Celcius outside and inside the GH, it was a balmy plus 25 Celcius with no heat added.

Perfect.

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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jroot

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posted 12-13-2009 12:32 PM

Ah, if only I could visualize that. ;)

-- jroot ....... Southern Ontario .......... grow zone 5A ...................."Gardening is an exercise in optimism." ....... . . Author Unknown

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MsDebbieP

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posted 12-13-2009 02:05 PM

it’s lookin good …. good luck with the windows!

-- - Debbie, SW Ontario Canada (USDA Hardiness Zone: 5a)

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Greenthumb

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posted 02-11-2010 11:34 AM

Itried heating this teeny tiny greenhouse and there was just no way on Gods Green Earth that GH is staying above freezing at nightso I bought ridgid insulation, with tin foil reflective skin on one side, green vapour barrier the other. Cut those into snug panels and every moring I remove them fromthe roof, at night, put them back.

Now I use a small electric, oil filled radiator and it stays about 65F at night and well into the 80’s in the day. Most seedlings now have their second set of leaves, no straggly wire thin plants either. They look healthy and happy…..............”touch wood”

I always had good intentionsof putting in a boiler. The concrete floor in the shop is about 4” thick +, and I painfully put all the plastic tubing in, I ran larger tubing to the outside wall for expanison purposes down the road…............But alas, I ran out of money and I already owned a tube heater, radiant for the ceiling so I put that in.

4 years later (maybe three?), a green house later, a pool house later…............a boiler arrived. Last night the beast arrived. A 100,000 btu commercial gas boiler…..........Ahhh, heavenly toy. A totally different kettle of fish. I have some work to do before it can be installed but it sits there…..waiting. There is nothing IMHO, more efficient then a boiler hooked up to a huge thermal mass, and when that thermal momentum peaks, the thermal inertia kicks in…...........HEAT.Lots of HEAT. ..........and best of all, cheap, inexpensive heat compared to conventional methods.

Well all is installed, I can keep it at a nice toasty 70 degrees, day and night, work in shorts and a T shirt instead of coveralls and a parka (not quite that bad) and I can open that huge door, and blow that dust out, close it…....and almost instantly warm again. How cool is that? I also have a professional spray booth in the shop that moves a massive amount of air very quickly so presently when I fire that booth up, the heat loss is instantaneous…...from hot, to warm, to cool, to freezing cold in an hour….....and that is a PITA because I have to work around those limits. Soon I can put a copper radiator in the wall, so that when I fire the booth up the louvers covering the rad open,hits a limit switch and presto…......I’m sucking in hot air (very small miracle to some, huge miracle to me)

That boiler doesnt stop there. I now have the potential to heat the loft, another 1,500 sq ft, the leanto, another 1,000 sq ft, the pool and best of all….........the greenhouse.

I still need an exit vent for the GH, I’ve given up on my glass guy and will make my own. I suppose it wouldnt matter how big I built my greenhouse cuz it would never be big enough but I sure wish I would have made it 4’ wider, and 8’ longer. It’s very crowded.

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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MsDebbieP

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posted 02-11-2010 03:21 PM

working without a parka! oh yah – that’s nice!! :)

-- - Debbie, SW Ontario Canada (USDA Hardiness Zone: 5a)

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Greenthumb

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posted 02-27-2010 09:11 AM

Seeds are all up. Spinach and tomatoes are nice and sturdy, thick stems. Sunflowers and others are also up with thick stems and big healthy ”leaves”, my herbs all have leaves and my Dahlias are popping up, same for impatients…................

I just wish I had made the GH 4’ wider and 8’ longer. Its gonna get crowded.

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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DavesYard

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posted 02-27-2010 09:34 AM

Convert the barn to a greenhouse, and the greenhouse to a barn :D

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MsDebbieP

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posted 02-27-2010 10:07 AM

that’s wonderful—(laughed at Dave’s suggestion)

-- - Debbie, SW Ontario Canada (USDA Hardiness Zone: 5a)

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Greenthumb

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posted 03-02-2010 08:44 AM

now that the temps are rising I can have more room by moving the plants to the perimeter instead of being jammed in the middle.

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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lavender22

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posted 03-04-2013 04:33 PM

Wow amazing I need you to come and make me a mini green house:) I live in a condo with front and back porch. You do such amazing woodwork. I love your blogs and enjoy reading them. You have a way with words.

-- I love hostas:)

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Greenthumb

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posted 03-04-2013 06:40 PM

A green house, a garden, always lies under the control of the hands that turn the soil, the fingers that turn soil into canvas and paint pictures with living bounty

My little greenhouse is now but a pleasant memory paying forward.

Thanks

-- just one more rock, and the garden is done ; )

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leeman

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posted 12-02-2014 09:15 PM

The structural design of green houses like that seems to be more strong than of a standard house made of wood. Isn’t it possible to big a house with that kind of layout and start from the skeletal structure also that way? Did ever use that kind of architecture for house building? I would love to try that idea on constructing house so it can be unique and use barn door san francisco styles from this shoppe http://caldwells.com/sliding-closet-door-hardware, that would be unique for sure. Anyway, thanks for this gardening and wooodwokring tips.

-- check me at http://caldwells.com/exterior-doors - 2070 Newcomb Avenue, Unit B, San Francisco, CA 94124.

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